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See, i love my iPhone, but fucking hate people who bum apple for the sake of it.

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Crappy pic - link here;

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.gif

I know so many people this applies to. The only Apple product I own is an iPod, which I really like. I'd love an iPhone but I'm not prepared to pay the amount of money necessary to own one. I've survived so far without one, I'm sure I'll be fine until they start giving them away free on my mobile contract.

Also, in case you haven't seen it already:

Big Daddy Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 1567

Here's an excerpt from last week's B3TA question of the week about celebrities people hate:

"Steve Fucking Jobs

I hate him. He's everything that's bad about uttlery disingenuous corporate figureheads. A smiley face and a "Hey, I'm just one of you geeky guys!" persona masking a ruthless, egocentric desire to rinse as much money as possible from the often unquestioning captive audience that worship his overpriced products.

A man who did nothing but marketing and shouting at people in the early days of Apple. Now he just shouts at people. Admittedly, that's behind the scenes, yet he pretends to be everyone's favourite geeky uncle in his public appearances. Like Disney and Nintendo's public image, Steve represents the very worst kind of consumer-exploiting capitalism.

He promotes ultra-locked-down 'appliances', that just happen to spew revenue directly into his pockets, as being what people 'actually' want, when really his approach just creates a population of dumb users who still have no clue about the potential of the machines they buy - because Steve tells them exactly what they 'should' use those machines for. He wants to promote goods for people that are scared of computers, yet he doesn't take away that fear. He just gives them dumbed-down devices, because according to his methodology 'it's what they need'. It's dictatorial. It's patronising. It makes Steve even richer.

Contrastingly, I love Bill Gates, even though Windows is still horrific. Why? Because Bill still reviewed code, even when he was running the richest company in the universe. He also pays for something 30% of global malaria research. He's just committed billions to vaccinations in the third world. IMO, whatever wrongs Bill did with MS, he's righted them all a thousandfold.

I doubt we'll ever see Steve doing the same. Mostly because he doesn't care as long as you PAY MORE MONEY and LOVE HIM."

"On the pinnacle of success man does not stand firm long." - J W v Goethe

Ha! God bless you B3TA. Very Happy

It's so embarrasingly true though.

I have to hand it to Apple, their marketing is absolute. Utterly flawless. The trick is getting people to want your 'cool' new shiny product - and they have this hands down.

Even though it's not always the best (and certainly not the cheapest) solution, because it's plastic and shiny - people want it.

Not to say their products aren't good, but would i rather pay £500 for a laptop, or £1250 for a Macbook, with a less impressive spec - but it is shiny...

lol. Fuck off, Jobs.

Having put myself on the list for a demo unit for the iPad, I cannot wait to test it (For work).

1 thing I do not look forward too is the fact that it doesnt support flash which some of my work involves. Although it has to be said, it just looks like a giant iPod touch!

Oh well.

I'm mildly interested to see the potential of the iPad for video games, but that's about it. Apart from that, it's one big laughable joke. Tablet PCs have been out for years and years, and really aren't that hard to learn to use (especially if you put Windows Media Center on them...).

You're all better off just buying a Tablet PC if you want something like the iPad.

I wouldn't mind Apple but it's the way they're all so damn hypocritical about everything. They're still laughing about Windows having viruses even though Mac has a handful - all in the wild. They also charge way too much for their products. Key point, iPhone 3GS. It's £580 on PAYG, where as you can get the Nexus One (a google phone) for only £400 on PAYG - it's literally twice as powerful and does -everything- the iPhone does, but better (yes, it even does phone calls better), and does more (yes, Flash support!).

If Apple was more affordable, I'd probably jump on the bandwagon. But, until then, no dice.

The only reason why Mac isn't hacked to shreds is because... no one cares about hacking it. It barely has 10% of the whole OS marketshare, and just like any software developer you're very unlikely to develop for a platform that'll only get a few hundred thousand people when you can develop the same application on another and get millions, if not tens of millions.

Mac really isn't that secure - there's events where nerds many times bigger then I all collaborate and try to hack all various things and break down the security - computers, web browsers, etc etc and the majority of the time Mac is always the first one to get hit.

There's tons more viruses out there for Windows, but as long as you have Vista or Win 7 fully up-to-date with UAC enabled (and you're not silly enough to let unknown programs to run when UAC prompts you) then you'll be perfectly fine all the time. Oh, and you're using a secure web browser like IE 8 or Firefox 3.5.

With Mac, if a new virus comes out you're pretty much fully susceptible to its fury, no real protection is there apart from one weak "blacklist" feature in Snow Leopard, which I can imagine is fairly easy to bypass if you know how.

See, that's the thing, I really don't see Apple gaining much more marketshare, it's too expensive. If anything, I see Linux gaining a ton more marketshare thanks to (at the moment) relatively unknown companies like Canonical making versions of Linux like Ubuntu that are more user friendly (they recently introduced an app store so it's even easier to find apps then in Windows... theoretically).

I see 1 of 2 things happening: Apple eventually shifting out of the desktop computer marketspace and concentrating on their mobile business, or adapting the iPhone OS and redesigning the Mac so it's an extremely powerful iPhone (similar to the iPad, but good, and with a keyboard/mouse).

iPhone OS on a Mac would completely eliminate viruses as it means Apple has to okay every application which can be downloaded onto it - problem solved for Apple.

That an interesting point - and would definately make Apple unique in the marketplace. I would actually consider that as a Notebook / Laptop alternative.
It would have to be realistically priced though - i'm a firm beliver in substance over style!

When it come to gagdets anyway, i don't give a shit if it glows blue and is made of shiny plastic. Can it process 16 recording tracks on Cubase and play Modern Warfare 2 at 60FPS.
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I do hope that Microsoft do lose some market share, because it will force them into keeping on their toes. No-one needs another Windows Vista. Wink

Ubuntu and Linux are still not really user friendly, but i hope they become so, both are very good alternatives to Windows - just need smoothing over a bit.

Windows Vista was the BETA to windows 7 (thats exactly how the marketing department at MS put it!)

MACs are not bad pieces of equipment, they are just too frickin pricey. For a Mac book Air at work we paid £1799, but when you consider identical internal hardware, just a diff OS, you can get for £499.

On the plus side to MACs, anything you plug in, works almost instantly, no searching for drivers (well actually, on exception is plugging in a yamaha midi keyboard)

Anyway, to add some relevance....

Haha, the comic says it all. Also, if Apple keep on suing market fan favourites like HTC over silly patents like "rotating text on a screen when rotating the phone" then they're eventually going to lose their cool hipster image and be known as yet another monolithic company.

Anyway, yeah, I guess Ubuntu isn't -that- user friendly, but it's still a lot more user friendly then a lesser known distro called Gentoo. I'm a pretty big nerd and even I can't figure out how to set that up, it's really complex. Of course, runs insanely fast once you've set it up though.

Big Daddy Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 1567

#1.Apple Versus Absolutely Everyone: The Masterplan

If you're one of the tens of millions of people who have iTunes installed on their Windows machines, you might want to open up a search and see if Apple's "Safari" web browser has made its way onto your computer. No, you didn't download that on purpose and then forget about it. In March of 2008, Apple stuck a copy of Safari into a routine update for iTunes. They set the 22.65 MB file as part of the default download. Users who just skimmed over the update notice without reading it (IE: nearly everyone) soon found themselves with unwanted software.

Response from the media and major figures in the tech industry was immediate and powerfully negative. The CEO of Mozilla even wrote a big blog entry blasting Apple. As he saw it, this move of Apple's wasn't just annoying, it posed a risk to the security of the whole Internet.

In July of 2008, another iTunes update went out with a hidden program clinging to it like poop to a hairy ass. This time, the backlash was even more severe. Internet watchdog group Stopbadware.org accused Apple of spreading Malware. Bloggers again raised their flabby arms in protest. Apple quickly rescinded the update..

So they've obviously learned their lesson, right? Well, in October of 2009, a new application from Apple landed in the U.S. Patent Office. Apple's idea was to program devices to periodically interrupt users with unskippable ads. The ads would temporarily halt performance of the device in order to "compel attention." That on its own is pretty nightmarish but, innovators that they are, Apple found a way to crank it up to that hard-to-reach "Lovecraftian" level.

Their words:

"Apple can further determine whether a user pays attention to the advertisement. The determination can include performing, while the advertisement is presented, an operation that urges the user to respond; and detecting whether the user responds to the performed operation. If the response is inappropriate or nonexistent, the system will go into lock down mode in some form or other until the user complies. In the case of an iPod, the sound could be disconnected rendering it useless until compliance is met. For the iPhone, no calls will be able to be made or received."

Steve Jobs had his name attached to the patent application.

It's okay everyone, for every Apple product, there is a much better alternative.

iPod, Zune HD
iPhone, Nexus One (or HTC Legend)
iPad, HP Slate
OSX, Windows

on the OSX, that depends on the varient you are talking of...could be tiger, leopard, or even snow leopard as they all fall under that catagory.

Snow Leopard is actually fantastic, every item that requires USB / MIDI / HDMI / Firewire connection is detected and runs within 3 seconds, (ranging from MIDI keyboards, to HDMI bluray players) you cant say the same for windows, you have to search for the drivers etc.

As for the google nexus, have you used it?? I am guessing that you havent as you would not say that it is better than the iPhone, as they are on a par. In terms of a phone that is better than iPhone, I would say the HTC Hero 2 would spank it hands down as its far more customisable than the nexus or iphone.

iPad, well I am awaiting delivery at work, so I will let you know when that is tested, as for HP Slate, again I am taking it that you havent use it, or other tablets. There is a reason that Tablet PCs are on the decline, its because they are crap. Multitouch functions are not supported on them, unless you are running a decent version of tablet linux. Tablet XP (or even Tablet Vista, cant say for 7 as I havent seen a version for tablet) is useless, its single touch, whereas the iPad is multitouch.

Now I am not an apple fanboy by any means, I have an iPod touch (personally), and use a Macbook Air (for portability) and iMac 27inch for work, both run Snow Leopard and Windows 7 concurrently. I prefer the W7 OS due to the fact that its a huge improvement over XP and vista, however it has a long way before it matches OSX in terms of compatibility for hardware.

Big Daddy Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 1615

Is it just me that understands pretty much fuck all of whats being said in this thread?

Big Daddy Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 1567

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The competition is healthy I think. Windows 7 has only got such a nice and useable GUI because Tiger and Leopard were so ahead of the game 6 years ago that pushed them really try harder than just get away with using such a clunky, dull and unstable OS.

I'm sure in when it comes down to it Windows can do a lot more but I was just tired of creative suite dying on me on a regular basis and getting blue screens for no reason, so like a vast majority of creatives I switched mac and the idea of even having to use a pc for anything fills me with dread and saving my work every 5 minutes in fear of things locking up.

You can't go wrong with a mac for creative work. I can count the number of crashes or when a program has frozen on one hand sine I bought one.

Even Microsoft use them on their latest ad campaign...

http://www.cultofmac.com/microsofts-im-a-pc-ads-made-on-a-mac/2971

I definately think macs are good and a more then worthy adversary (if you will) to windows, my gripe with them - and it's more with apple then their actual products - is the way they are marketed and priced. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever for them to be that expensive.

I think that Macs are very good at what they do, but are ridiculously overpriced and more a lifestyle / fashion choice than an actual tool.

Point in case, everyone I know who owns a mac can't stop banging on about them, whereas people with pcs just don't. It's a label, a status symbol.

Well done. You've just paid three times more money for the same hardware, it's just in a white hard plastic case. But Mac owners won't have that, and until they do, apple can keep ripping people off.

In my defense. But my mac is not white plastic.

It's very shiny white plastic Smile